Members come into the church personally, individually, and freely. 21. It seemed more like an attack on what the Bible says about life than on a denomination. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. Care to elaborate, provide examples? You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. My ministry isnt to the lost, its to help heal those whove been hurt by the IFB. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! We believe in the natural divisions of Scriptures as a basis for study. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. People can ask for clarification if they want. Get our Question of the Week delivered right to your inbox! We believe that the only marriage recognized by Scripture is the joining of one man and one woman. And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. We didnt go, but they came back the next week. 16. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. Be careful that a fanatical or unbiblical few do not cause you to condemn us all as a group. JUDAH. How will you escape the judgment of hell? If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. Yes, I have countless emails and comments from people who were ready to give up on their faith until they read this site and realized that the IFB was in error not them. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. around the world wherever our Lord directs. Thanks for reading! A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. Why would I even send a lost loved one to church instead of sharing the gospel with them for that matter? If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. Anderson, Fannin and Shelley traded accusations of financial wrongdoing and running a cult. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. Romans 5:8 If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. 54. If you believe that secular psychology is worldly/sinful, but dont think that other areas of medicine are OK, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 45. I dont think having two revivals a year is a bad thing as they word states we should continue to get together as believers. I love devotions with the Lord. 4 They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. N/A The IFB are Pharisees of our day. Back then, you had to wear your Sunday best. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. Most pastors are lacking and are full of themselves because of one basic issue. Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. If you think that the hymnal in the pew is inspired by God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 23. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? This is because we live in this flesh. Please read this article for more information: https://baptistdeception.com/reasons-for-not-accepting-the-kjv-as-gods-preserved-word-a-response-to-pastor-james-melton/, I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense [sic] of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be.. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up I did read it but I still dont understand their beliefs on it.. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Oh well, maybe another discussion. I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. The Pharisees were filled with hypocrisy and iniquity and my church is not. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. 43. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23), All born-again believers have the privilege of direct access to God. They all work together. No, thats silly! Abortion is murder. I was told that I could not work in one of my passionate ministries, infant, toddler, and 3-4 year olds because of something I did in my past 14 years ago and pastor told me I have to prove myself first. King James is the inspired word of God While I do like the old King James Bible but King James Only is wrong because its misleading and its legalism. The Bible gives qualifications for each office. I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. 34. 22. Due to the nature of the churches being independentin their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or IndependentFundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or IndependentBible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated IndependentBaptists - just to N/A 7. Everyone as an individual should get right with God in whatever he has commanded them. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. I forgave through the example of Jesus. (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? He perhaps worded somethings poorly perhaps, but he is completely turned off by your attitude and responses Steve. I have read other versions of the Bible. We are happily married today blessed with 2 more children. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). Sin is sin and the Holy Spirit works in us to pinpoint where we need to change and this happens while we are in the word. We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 4. Yes. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. 12. If you want a discussion ask for one. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). Luke 8:17, Daniel 2:22, Luke 12:2. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. I can not forgive sins! If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. You might be an independent Fundamental Baptist if. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. Instead of reprimanding me why dont you pray for the lost? 40. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. I dont know what Daves intentions were. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. Hypocrites! This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Im convinced that its much much deeper than rejecting real truth .. many many come back in southern Baptist churches, but not ifb churches.. what say u. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. OMG! When you finally get the blinders off let me know, we will rejoice with you. God has given each institution specific Biblical responsibilities and has balanced those responsibilities with the understanding that no institution has the right to infringe upon the other. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. I only hope that you will see it before too long. 25. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. A IFB member knocked on my door one Saturday and invited us to church. 20 When you swear by the altar, you are swearing by it and by everything on it. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. This list are things that are unique to the IFB. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. Baptism of believers by immersion in water symbolizes sincere faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection with the desire to walk in newness of life. I love this!! 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). Thanks. Scofield Bible!!!! 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. Some of these are humorous and right on the money. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. 30 Then you say, If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.. 47. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. 2. Attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved There are so many churches that claim the be the one, true, church, especially the Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Anglicans, some Lutherans, Jehovahs Witnesses, Mormons, etc. Generally its the Pastor, or Preaching Elder or Minister, that has to attend multiple services because he has to preach the sermon. 41. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. I do agree that any time when you have health issues its because of sin which is why God allows pain and suffering. 28. Mind your own business. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. To the author, I hope youll be okay someday and if you can find a way to dig out that root I think youll find peace. Im sure that this was meant to be funny but I can tell that you seem bitter. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. We believe the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to be the Bible, as it is in truth, the Word of God (I Thessalonians 2:13). He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. Praise the lord God made salvation a gift, or I probably wouldnt have received it. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. We had no money.. Wow! Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. Most Americans dont understand that there are flavors of Baptist Christianity, everything from liberal to hardcore Fundamentalist. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. I have to admit its a lot less work than actually thinking through things. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. Matthew 6:14-15 No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? 7 You hypocrites! I will say though having grown up in that environment, there was a HUGE sense of support from the congregation, I always knew that if I needed something, I had people surrounding me who would help. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. 22 And when you swear by heaven, you are swearing by the throne of God and by God, who sits on the throne. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). For you say that it means nothing to swear by Gods Temple, but that it is binding to swear by the gold in the Temple. 17 Blind fools! If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. If you refuse to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcoholic beverages, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 27. We dont think rational thought is dangerous. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. Baptists are people of the Bible and not fellings. You should do something else with the time God has aloud you.Nonsense is not what people need to hear. Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. They said no mixed bathing. God Wasnt going to see our fornicating as bringing glory to him. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. 3. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. No member shall Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. I can be more specific and categorize your list of 55 things to give some examples as you asked OGrodnik to do, but it wouldnt be to diminish what you and others have experienced. 12 But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen! Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches.