We do not have a copy of that gag order, but we were told that one had been issued by the courts. I am trying to be vague. The crime was committed in February 13 or 2/13. They talked to Ron and he allowed them to park on her land. His favorite color is green: like the woods, like the loot. He may well have had a deer blind on the Mears property. 5) He parked near the cemetery, but not at the cemetery. So hes a murderer. This Feb. 13, 2017, file photo released by the Indiana State Police shows a man walking along the trail system in Delphi, Ind., authorities say is the suspect in the killings of two teenage girls. The suspect has since moved back to North Carolina, and young women have begun to disappear from the trails there now. Hes afraid hes going to be framed with these murders, a reasonable fear. After news of Allen's arrest broke on Friday, another disturbing photo of the possible perp emerged and began to circulate online. While we see a giant plush bear, thats too weird, so we will defer to the search party lady and agree with her statement. On the day the girls went missing, Libby had posted photos on Snapchat of her and Abby walking along the trail. He currently resides in prison for videotaping himself having sex with a 15 year old. Mr. X was a senior in high school at the time. There appears to be no mention of the Delphi murders or any information linking Kline to the case. The bodies were dumped near flowing water, creeks or rivers. BG himself is both the catfish young man and the older man who is the actual killer, so he is both sketches at once, obviously. Indiana Cold Cases is similar and so is True Crime Jesus. She cited instances of abuse and alcoholism. Hello, i live in cedar rapids , ia. This is simply because Ive dared to question if its possible that he was involved in any capacity or if its possible that he made misleading statements. Is he into numerology? Theyre not that common. Unsolved Murders Archives - TRUECRIMEGUY.COM Also stated that Abby survived the initial attack and she crawled towards Libby. New details of Delphi Bridge Murders reveal victims died in bloodbath https://www.reddit.com/r/LibbyandAbby/comments/n33koj/gray_hughes_new_information/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf. Two people appear to be conflated here in your article as Mr. X. Investigators have never revealed how the girls died or disclosed details about the crime scene. In an Oct. 13, 2022, interview, Allen told police he saw juvenile girls on the trails east of Freedom Bridge and said he went onto the Monon High Bridge, near where the girls were killed. Resident of Delphi in 1984-85 at minimum. Hence, following Occams, our theory is the best explanation of the facts. I dont get that vibe at all with everything I know, but then again I know very little lol. They act like Im sort of deranged psychopathic maniac whos a danger to women and children. What it does do, however, is make LE appear to be slightly less incompetent for calling off that search if Abby and Libby were confirmed to have been deceased before the search even started. [43] Libby's grandmother, Becky, makes a deal with the girls. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. Hunting partner of Anthony Greeno, podcaster who has reported on the case avidly. On February 13, 2017, Libby and Abby took a hiking trip at the abandoned Monon High Bridge, in an outing that was only meant to be for a few hours. A subpoena for an IP address led to another address in Peru, Indiana, and a second search warrant found Kline and his father there. 9) He has killed before. I hope someday this horrendous crime will be solved. There is a press conference on Monday at 10 a.m. We will say more. I dont know if Mr. X is part of the groups promoting the trail system, but for some reason, I doubt it. Interestingly, I had NO idea who you were (sorry). Though she cannot comment on this investigation since its ongoing, she MAY be able to offer clues. Forget it. youre smart enough you should be able to figure it out by these bomb-sized hints we keep dropping. Thanks, Mike! There is so much junk, lies, theory, you name it, it is there. 43 sec is probably the time they have of the man on the girls phone recording. Alex Oliveira For Dailymail.Com
LE themselves have admitted that they have one smudged fingerprint. Im sure the guy does look at posts and stuff which is creepy as all hell. The comments below have not been moderated, By
"When asked about the unspent bullet, [Allen] did not have an explanation of why the bullet was found between" the girls' bodies, the probable cause affidavit said. Delphi Murders if bodies were staged or posed what does that - reddit We also dont know the name of the hotel or motel that they stayed in. Found an interesting article regarding the act of stating and posing bodies. Only his hands, particularly focused on his bloody, sausage-like knuckles, could be seen with a caption that read after the brawl.. The judge would say you dont even have enough evidence against this man to take this case to court and throw it out of court. The rejoinders also say that either he never lost his keys or he did and he called the wife to bring a spare, and she did, evidence being the police scanner. When we line the two theories against each other, ours wins hands down. I was never aware that anyone had any good evidence against this harmless-looking fellow. However, shouldnt that same exact principle/logic apply to Mr. X? R/DelphiMurders is completely useless due to their no rumors or speculation rules, which means that you can only discuss what is proven about the case, which after four years, is just about nothing. The pre-trial hearing in this case is to be held in January. Or wet sneaker. Not sure of the significance here. Text messages have been circulating online regarding the case, as has speculation about some of the evidence that is being kept under wraps. Of course, we know now that they were killed but as far as LE was concerned, that very night, those girls were alive and may have been in desperate need of assistance. I happen to think he probably did it, but what do I know? The girl survived, and Chadwell is currently serving a 90-year sentence for the attack. By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. Investigators believe the man is the killer. But they used experts to clean it up with fancy software and groups of experts got together to try to figure out what was being said. Investigators believe the man is the killer. These are simply unverified rumors. FSG, or DMC: Probably shouldnt use his real name, but hes on everybodys suspect list. In September of 2020, messages began circulating online that were allegedly between the man who found the girls' bodies and his friend. Also, a copy of the police scanner is available showing that Mr. Xs wife is supposed to be coming to the site to retrieve Mr. Xs truck. (WISH) Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents obtained by I-Team 8. They were reported missing two hours after they didn't show up for their ride home, and their bodies were found the following day about half a mile away from the bridge. Of course she did. Dime a dozen. For five years, the murders of 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German have hung over Delphi, ghosts that couldn't be put to rest. These are the facts about the man LE suspects is BG. They think he did it, but as far as real, good, hard evidence that will stand up in court, theres not a lot there. I wonder if that person is confusing the crime scene photos with the Iowa girls. Again, not saying that he did it. Their bodies were discovered the next day in a wooded area around half a mile off the trail. Everyone was crowding around to look at the crime he had committed. She recorded them for a good six minutes and definitely longer. Corn fields? Four people are involved at least peripherally, BG and three others. And Mr. X or BG is the one who used that catfish to bring Libby in. LE actually believes BG was 49-50 years old when he committed the crime. Mr. Xs wife, his daughter, and Becky Patty are now putting out a story that Mr. X never lost his keys in the first place. The guy that is making those videos about Mr X, and the guy by the name of Derek godsey. A few people were claiming it was Abby leaned against a tree with her face covered in blood, claw marks on the ground, and a pool of blood a few feet away. Probably at least 6 weeks pregnant if the rumors are true. The YouTube channel Zav Girl broke down the text messages in a video entitled "Text Messages from the Guy that found Abby and Libby? Any info you can get us on this will be much appreciated! And with the evidence they currently have, they havent proven it. Highly suspicious and the states that are responsible are more interested in getting into pissing contests as opposed to finding her. A press conference is expected Monday morning. He passed away in 2020. He also noted that it appeared to him as if Libby German may have been personally attacked based on the extent of her injuries. You can tell by many things gait, body shape, manner of walking, voice, etc. Why would the police lie about where they found them tho that doesnt make sense. They are most likely related to one another, but your description of Mr. X confuses the two. He has a prosthetic foot due to diabetes, and no way could he high-tail it across that bridge. The last person on Earth to protect the killer is poor Becky Patty, God bless her mortal soul. Both investigators were women. And Im sure that the Delphi police could say the same thing. The gun failed the tests and was returned to the home. According to Business Insider senior reporter and co-founder of The Murder Sheet podcast, ine Cain, Libby had an interaction with Kline on Instagram but thought she was interacting with the person in a photo Kline posted as himself, in an attempt to catfish young girls into sending nude photos. (Images via the FBI). I would think a crime like this would occur and the perpetrator would be gone. Do you think an LE source might be talking to one of them or perhaps someone who knows one of them? As far as my theories, I made a video (see here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IIoxYhsduLQ) that outlines the visions held a couple of days upon learning of this crime. Note that it was parked in head first. Investigators released a still image from the video and a chilling audio of the man telling the two girls: Go down the hill.. 242? Apparently there is a human need to wonder, guess, and posit. Brad was a suspect for a while, and one of the detectives working on the case even stated off the record that he thought Brad did it. Also, there is debate, but if you look at the scanner recording of the day when the bodies were found, the local PD says "keep them away" in response to a statement re: bystanders + FBI; resulting in debate about whether local pd was trying to keep FBI away and why. LE has already looked into him quite a bit, and I assume hes cleared. As youve pointed out Mr. X did this before the search party had even assembled, right at the EXACT parcel of land that the girls bodies would be found the next day. Of course we don't know how the bodies were found and if they were posed or staged, we only know that the crime scene was unbelievable disturbing and horrible. Aside from the sketches released, authorities have indicated that the killer left behind physical evidence. Old style 501 blue jeans from the 1980s Dad jeans. Several LE officials have said that Abby had a phone, whether with her or not is not known. This just doesnt bode well for him, I mean ESPECIALLY if you consider that he asked to search the Logan property and came up empty-handed. Hi Robert, can you tell me if FSG and/or his brother were part of the search parties on either day? If so, why? Garrett explained that an "unspent bullet is one that has the casing and the projectile still together." Thats a full 18 hours. Also, I was interested in whether you may be able to cover Harmony Montgomerys case? I dont see a motive for Mr. X either, and he did live right there. You dont have LE sources. This will dispel some rumors. If it's real, it's very sad, but it's likely people grasping at straws. If he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck, he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and used them to stage it with the objects. The girl could well have been his high school freshman girlfriend. There are some absolutely fascinating old rumors on there that I have never heard before, mostly having to do with Young BG and his possible presence or involvement at the crime scene. Robert, I believe Mr. X has an ex-wife. The affidavit states that Indiana State Police and the FBI carried out a search warrant on 25 February 2017 - less than two weeks after Abby and Libby were murdered at Mr Klines home in Peru after tracking down the user of the anthony_shots profile to the property. Sexual age orientation: Pedohebephilia, nonexclusive, AOA 8-14. Thank you for stopping by the site. Comment * document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a9ecdae37f37f9e5f76df75466de7fce" );document.getElementById("b83dbe3da2").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. So Mr. X was more traumatized by this crime than anyone else, including the victims grandmother who was hurt more than anyone. He is happy to do so. We have no idea why the order was issued. Thanks for all the info much appreciated. They had no history of behavior indicative of disregarding or disrespecting their parents/guardians by running off to a friends house just to show up later. Mr. X not only discovered the bodies, but he ran away in terror afterwards. The version of the suspect sketch in the image was not released until April 2019, so the photo would have been taken at least two years after the murders. KAK and his Dad. Isnt that logical. Are you speculating? Hello Jacqui. She still hasnt been able to process this, assuming such a thing can ever be processed. We believe he staged the crime with these elaborate props either before or after the crime from this exact location. I dont know, FIELDS! You had mentioned in one of your blogs not being sure what he did for a living. Investigators said in the probable cause affidavit that they believe Allen is the man seen on the video. Why did Mr. X not drive his truck away when it was in the way of all of the police cars? Im also sure that its used as a tactic to convince the public that they were completely justified in making whatever decisions they felt required justification. They werent that close. How many journalists do you know who actually went to J-school and have J-degrees? This had been done on other occasions, at least one other we know of in the 2000s. Kelsi has been investigated quite a bit, and she has been interviewed a few times by the FBI, including a couple of times at her school. Then there is always the question of his occupation. If so, wouldnt the coroner be able to obtain DNA from the fetus? BG is a 50 year old man. I saw the picture and while I could see the "face", I didn't see the rest of what people were claiming to see. If any of you want to sift through there and find some interesting stuff and post it here, please feel free to go for it. The man has never been identified. Im not sure if its better that way or not. It would have to be a day or two before people would think to look. See? Watch on Oops, we couldn't find that track. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. If they were killed right away, its no problem, but if they were not killed until 12 hours later, its one more thing that makes no sense. Everything We Know About The Unsolved Delphi Murders. If you want to get to the real meat of the post, scroll down to Facts of the Main Suspect in the Case Mr. X. To say these girls had things shoved in them without proof is horrible for their parents. A mystery man was captured in a grainy video taken on Libby's phone the day of her. He was the right age, but he doesnt look like BG. The act of leaving a victim's body in an unusual position is a conscious criminal action by an offender to thwart an investigation, shock the finder and investigators of the crime scene, or give perverted pleasure to the killer. Its odd how there is that other photo of what looks like BG sitting on park bench. Important friendships: Very casual friend of Mike Patty, father of one of the girl victims. I am a retired Detective Chief previously responsible for the Criminal Investigation Department and all of the 80 plus detectives within as well as a senior investigative officer with experience of leading murder enquiries.